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The Rise of Homo-Fascism

thought controlIf you thought Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty is being treated unfairly by A&E, then you have to get a load of what is happening in Italy with regards to media treatment of dissenting views on homosexuality.

The government has just issued a new set of guidelines for journalists for how to treat “LGBT” people. The guidelines, funded by the Council of Europe, dictate what terms and images must be used by the media  when treating LGBT subjects. Journalists who do not comply are threatened with legal and professional penalties. They are instructed not to use negative sexual images from gay pride events and to refrain from employing terms like “natural family”, “traditional family” and “gay marriage”. The guidelines explain that those terms are discriminatory and that marriage and family alone will do.

Italian media covered the guidelines but was not as incensed as might have been expected. Perhaps this is the chilling effect on freedom of speech that was expected all along. One of the ministers who was in charge of promulgating the guidelines said she was overall pleased with how major newspapers and other media reacted.

The tone of the guidelines is educational. They start with the basic notion that “sex” is not the same thing as “gender”, the latter being a mental state and the former being merely anatomical, and then proceed to explain the ins and outs of homosexual jargon with colorful and detailed explanations. “Coming out” is explained as a long process of self-awareness and awakening — not to be confused with “being outed” against one’s will. The term “gay woman” journalists are told is disparaging, and should be substituted with “lesbian” which is more respectful. But things get tricky pretty quickly after that.

The guidelines delve into the subtle differences and nuances of what constitutes a transsexual male to female (Mtf) or transsexual female to male (Ftm), transgender as an umbrella term for everyone who is in-between two genders either anatomically or psychologically, and transvestitism, drag kings and drag queens and the list goes on. The document says the biggest mistake commonly made by Italian journalists is that all these “trans” should be preceded by the feminine article (la trans) and not by the masculine (il trans).

The document also contains perplexing moments, like when it laments the indifference of Italians to gay women. The author reports that no disparaging terms have been coined specifically for lesbians while there are a dozen disparaging terms for male homosexuals in the language in which Dante once wrote.

But the objective of it all is clear. Restricting freedom of speech is not enough. The ultimate goal is thought control.


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  • goral

    I like the abbreviated reference, LGBT, to all of the fringe groups. It reminds me of a sandwich, a mixed-up, gay BLT. This sinfully delicious and perverse quadruple decker can be gotten at a deli called the Gay Gourmet. It’s on the corner of Sodom and Gomorrah. Not sure where it is? Plug it into your GPS, gay positioning system,…….. (no comment)
    You will be asked to take a series of left turns until a demonic voice bellows – “you have arrived!”.

    • lucho gatica

      a beautiful example of hate!

      • Marc

        Truly, “goral”, your comment does nothing to make a person struggling with something like this feel any better about themselves, especially if they are trying their best to find the right (Biblical and Catholic) relationship with God. Attitudes like yours are exactly what keeps them out of the Church and sends them searching for inferior heretical churches where they at least will be treated with kindness and feel like they’re not going to be roasted at the stake for an orientation they didn’t ask for. At the same time, we cannot cave into the demands of those who shove this agenda in our faces (and God’s), but your example of how to do it is not going to fill the confessionals with them.

        • lucho gatica

          Marc: “inferior heretical churches”; “we cannot cave into the demands of those who shove this agenda in our faces (and God’s)”these unfortunate people “see the Light” and Truth of God’s Word”

          I believe you have good intentions. Please pray for me I am one of “those unfortunate people” a proud male gay catholic and a sinner that CAN NOT AGREED with the official teaching of a mayority of conservative bishops in the the church regarding homosexual acts. I am happy for you that see God’s will and teaching so clearly. Thank you for your prayers.

          • cal

            then you are not Catholic for you do not follow the teachings and rules of the Church.

          • Marc

            If he’s been baptized in the Church of course he’s still a Catholic! Whether or not he is one in good standing though is between him and God and none of OUR business! Only God knows his heart and what kind of struggles he must go through, so we have no idea what the state of his soul is in the Eyes of God, his demerits may even be less than ours for all we know. We have no right to make such pronouncements about other people, we can only rightly accuse OURSELVES.

          • tonyr

            when someone says he is a proud gay and a sinner who cannot agree with the teaching of the Church we cetainly can judge. we can make a pronouncement. Simply repeating his words and their implication is enough.

          • Marc

            All we are authorized to say is that this is what the CHURCH teaches, we are not authorized to pronounce judgment against anyone except against OURSELVES, because we do not know the inner workings (mind, emotions, heart, etc.) of another human being and all the life experiences that person has had that brought the person to the point where they declare such and such a thing, only God does. Because we are not Divine, we do NOT have all the facts about another person’s soul, ONLY OUR OWN, and can only pass judgment against OURSELVES. That doesn’t excuse the person who declares it, but it does remove us from the temptation of condemning someone outright, because we TRULY CAN NOT KNOW THE SOUL OF ANOTHER PERSON, only our own.

          • goral

            None
            of us here, who vehemently oppose the homosexual agenda, are making
            “pronouncements” of our own or casting “judgments” on
            someone’s soul or condemning anyone to hell.

            We, as Catholics, all have the authority and the right to speak about our faith
            in accordance with the Church’s teaching. We get that by virtue of Baptism.

            I did not seek out lucho to condemn his behavior, much less his soul. He
            publicly made his orientation known, challenging my attempt at humor as
            hateful.

            He has a hanckerin’ for the “mixed-up BLT sandwich” and wants the Church to
            bless it.

            That is a bold demand, sports fans. It’s a public request on this Catholic
            website.

            Again, by virtue of my Confirmation, I have the commission and obligation to
            stand in opposition to this twisted desire. Remaining silent is interpreted as
            accepting, condoning and acquiescing. So they push to the next level because
            evil loves new lows.

            Notice that I haven’t made any references to anyone’s soul. He, as I, need to
            work out the dangers that threaten the soul, privately, but the framework is
            public. Publicly the law cannot say, it depends or maybe if that’s the case or
            we gotta be nice here.

            By its definition, law, policy, doctrine is a pronouncement.

            My pronouncement is that I unequivocally reject any attempt to pronounce
            homosexuality as normal behavior. It’s my Christian duty to do that.

            You, on the other hand, can use your ‘mothering” skills to cajole them
            into the Confessional. That also needs to be done. The experience and the stark
            reality is that it hasn’t worked, certainly not in the public arena.

          • Marc

            Lucho, I do not always see “God’s will and teaching so clearly”, but I must accept them, however hard they are for me personally, because God revealed them to us, and He can neither deceive nor be deceived. When I say “unfortunate people” I refer to those who, like you, are not yet able to accept God’s revealed teaching in this matter, and pray that you will one day submit yourself completely to Him in perfect trust that what he has taught us – everything, not just what is comfortable for us to accept – is just and holy, and is what is best for us. In truth, though, everyone of us in this world are “unfortunate people” in our own ways – and I am probably as unfortunate as one can be – so please do not take what I said personally as singling you or those with your particular struggles out. We all have different struggles, and every time we commit a sin we prove in that moment that we don’t see God’s will and teaching so clearly. That is why we always need a Savior, and Jesus is always ready to receive us back in His arms; He promised Ven. Sister Josefa Menendez that if we come to Him during this time of Mercy He is offering this world that He will not cast our sins in our face. I will certainly keep you in my prayers as long as you promise to keep me in yours. : )

          • lucho gatica

            I will pray for you! and thank you for your prayers. I pray one now: ” Your will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” I know my will and opinions are nothing. As per issues of revelation, tradition and scriptures, I am sure The Church: clerics and us lay people will continue to listen to the paraclite, God at the end will have the last word.

          • N Martinez

            I feel sorry for your struggle. Nevertheless, just because YOU don’t agree with the Church on homosexual acts doesn’t make YOU correct. Unless I am wrong, you are not guided by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals. Unless you have written the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you are NOT infallible in these matters. That being said, as long as you refrain from homosexual acts, you shouldn’t be concerned. I wouldn’t advocate for that lifestyle, either. I would, though, share my struggles with others who struggle with this. This is where you could most definitely shine in God’s eyes. Good luck and God Bless.

        • Peter

          I agree with what you say here Marc but ‘goral’ or those like him will be hard pressed to keep me out of the Church.

          I prefer to use the time these people spend in demonising other human beings – at prayer, Rosary perhaps, Eucharistic Adoration, the Mass obviously and the rest.

          There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

          If we all spent more time cleaning up our ‘own acts’ as it were, instead of looking to the ‘sin’s of others – be much more profitable for all concerned.

          Jesus loves me and this I know. 🙂 All the stones the ‘good catholics’ might choose to have thrown, throw or will throw won’t change that fact. His Mother is a great advocate for folks like us too. All of us indeed – Her children.

          The ‘good catholics’ should concern themselves with their own salvation. Praying for all.

          Mater Dei, ora pro nobis.

          • goral

            Those like me want you in the Church. Those like me also mind our own business. In minding our own business and praying the Rosary we’ve found that somewhere between the third and fourth decade we lost ground on moral issues in this country. Indeed we’ve lost ground on the very definition of morality. A generation ago this article would not have surfaced and if it did, we would all find general agreement that homosexuality is a perversion that should not be espoused by individuals or institutions.
            How did we get to this point where we have to explain and justify and defend the obvious? The Church dropped the ball. Our bishops were too busy with nuclear annihilation, equality and global warming. We were too busy with nuclear annihilation, equality, global warming and minding our own business.

            All bogus issues put forth by the very people who incrementally have pushed this agenda of sexual perversions as first tolerable, next acceptable and now preferable. This is the education and the culture, at this writing.
            I and those like me are not responsible for this. You and those like you are. You and “kate-n-mike and others have become the useful idiots of this agenda.
            You guys work both sides of the issue. In your prideful state you see yourself as superior because you “understand” and sympathize and pray and renounce those of us who are not afraid to be on the front lines defending what is holy and right, straight on. It’s the only thing that works against lucho and other purveyors of sin. Your “loving” approach doesn’t and hasn’t worked.

            It’s what got us to this point.

    • N Martinez

      You, my Friend, have summed the Homosexual Mafia to a “T.”
      I will keep on repeating and repeating that God D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D two cities because of homosexual activity. Was it because He hates? No. Was it because He specifically hates homosexuals? No. It was because homosexual behavior goes against His plan: Be fruitful and multiply. As mama always said, “God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.”

  • GregCz

    Homo’s

    • Name calling is exactly how Jesus calls for us to respond. Not patience and love. Now go receive your holy communion and believe that you are better than thou.

      • Danielck

        You are no better than Greg… for saying what you have said. Do you see yourself – what you are doing?

        • What am I doing?

          • Hegesippus

            Making derisive comments.

            Are you not aware of this?

          • Marc

            Kate-n-Mike were using sarcasm, but the message they were getting across is what St. James says in James 1:26: “If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue he deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. ” Another way to put it would be Proverbs 18:21: “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruits.” And especially Ephesians 4:29 which instructs us “Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.” You can’t talk uncharitably or degrade someone and then expect your mouth and tongue to be a worthy receptacle for receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, for you risk a sacrilegious Communion.

          • Thank you, Marc

          • M B

            A homosexual relationship in its essence is and will always be a self gratifying self entered relationship,
            –one that is wrapped around the physical desires of the individuals involved. There is no other goal but the sexual one. They are not “loving relationships”.

            Subjecting a loved one, for the purpose of self pleasure, to an act which causes untold physical damage mental anguish and spiritual death, is not in par with a “ loving relationship”, not by far.

            True loving relationships, seek the higher good for the loved one, are caring and self giving, faithful
            unselfish and sacrificial.
            Homosexuality is an addiction, (with promiscuity at its side) and it should be treated as such.

            However, it’s being pushed under many labels, scientific, Natural, Normal, political, etc. etc.; and many have already bought in it.

            If you are a Christian, stand firm and defend the Word of God and do not soften your stance, for the sake on not offending the sinner. Do you know what did Jesus do at the Temple?
            Did He bother with those peoples feelings?, no!, He whip them and threw them out! (Mathew 21:12-13)

            Homosexuals know very well what the Word of God says about them; but many continue on in their ways and continue pushing their devilish beliefs on us.

            Be firm, there is much to lose, don’t be dissuaded the Devil is very astute, or soon we will not be able to quote the Bible, for it will be called “hate speech”

            REV 3:16 “So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth”.

          • When you say homosexual relationships I assume you are referring exclusively to ones involving sexual activity. If that’s the case, yes, I agree that they are dangerous for the soul. But what bothers me about your bold declarations is that you fail to dig deeper into what motivates these people to do what they do. There is a lot more to a relationship (whether gay or straight) than just the sexual part. Every human has a longing within them to feel loved and to love. This isn’t just a desire that is exclusive to heterosexuals. Gay experience this same longing too. So I do not agree with you that they can’t be called “loving relationships”. Maybe you do not see it like that, and that’s your right not to, but declaring your opinion as a factual statement doesn’t make it a fact. You see all homosexuals as the lustful, promiscuous creatures described in the Sodom and Gehmorah story. And while I would agree that there are some that are like that, most of the ones I’ve known in my life are decent people who just want to be treated as any other person.

      • mollysdad

        The Apostles called sodomites by their proper name. Same as they referred to murderers, thieves and slanderers.

        • “Homos” is a derogatory term, Molly.

        • Marc

          The Apostles called them sodomites because they were ACTIVELY PRACTICING that sin. Likewise, a murderer, a thief, and a slanderer cannot be any of those things if they never murdered, stolen, or slandered, which is why they also used THOSE terms… The Apostles would never have used this word to describe homosexuals who lived chastely according to the Law given by God to Moses and revealed again personally to them by Jesus, because they were acting righteously. This is how protestant sects begin, by reading things into Scripture (or out of it) according to one’s own perception instead of adhering to the constant teaching of the Church, Who, guided by the Holy Ghost as Christ promised, is the only authority to properly interpret Scripture.

      • bluesuede

        What do you mean, “Name calling is exactly how Jesus calls for us to respond”?

        • Sarcasm

          • Hegesippus

            Could this ‘sarcasm’ ever be applied to homosexuals?

            After all, they are demanding we change our very language to accommodate them, with legal reprisals if we do not.

          • Hegesippus, I’m not trying to defend the gay agenda. Believe me germ I say that the demands of these gay activists anger me just as much as you. What I’m trying to do is remind people that name calling and casting judgements on these people is not the way we are called to respond to them. But obviously, the discussion bloomed into other branches of conversation.

          • lucho gatica

            Kate-n-mike, I promised
            you prayers before and will continue to pray and be respectful to you and all. The tone of superiority and lack of compassion
            is all over traditional Catholics blogs.
            Our so call “gay agenda” is just a cry for respect to our
            basic human rights. Marriage is a fundamental right. Form a family,
            love and be open to love and care for a new members of the human family is and
            will be fundamental for all. Ignore solid scientific evidence is a “sin”
            the church can NOT afford. I hope you
            continue to listen our Holy Father and get to know more “these
            people”, just like me. I urge to continue to be obedient to your conscience
            that clearly upholds the official teaching of the church regarding homosexual
            acts. I can NOT.

          • Yep, I agree with you fully when you say “the tone of superiority and lack of compassion is all over traditional Catholic blogs”. Too much pride, and sometimes downright un-Catholic in their thinking.

            As for the “gay agenda”… I support human rights for all people. Absolutely. It does hit a very sore spot with me over the same-sex marriage issue though. While I understand that gays want the same rights as straights, I do believe they are taking something sacred and defiling in it. But then again, one can argue that a marriage between a man and a woman in a Las Vegas chapel by an Elvis impersonator is no more holier. I think the biggest complain we Christians have is the lack of respect towards things that we hold as sacred from the LGBT community and other groups. As the USA becomes more and more secular, we have found ourselves to be the minority… and now its our turn to start “fighting” to be gain ground.

            I just wish both sides (secular and believers) can just learn to RESPECT one another and each other’s ways. But the prideful loudmouths of both sides will not have it. Each side swears they know what God wants, and/or what’s best for the world, and neither side will humble themselves to deal with issues in a non-threatening matter. There is hope, however. God gave us Saint Francis, exactly what the world needs right now. Someone who genuinely reflects the message of Christ.

          • lucho gatica

            I believe there is hope.
            Most people of good will agreed on basics. Fundamentalist, that -maybe
            in good faith – hope to impose their religious or political believes are the
            problem. In the public square and under the law we will balance mayority
            opinions and find protection for Catholics, Muslims, gays and lesbians, and atheist
            minorities…. I believe in the sacredness of the sacrament of marriage
            as much as you do but I need to be consistent with “my nature” , I
            need to be consistent with who I am. As a catholic I know that my
            vocation is marriage. I want to live the
            virtue of chastity as a married person. I
            am not sexually attracted to women. I am a homosexual. To take a wife
            will be a “sin” against my nature. Anthropology, biology, psychology and
            psiquitry have spoken. Theology is also advancing rapidly on issues of
            sexual morality. BUT God has the final word. “Your will be done” continues to be my payer,
            Every Sunday I stay at the back of the church in my knees asking for guidance and
            help. As a catholic is very serious to disagree
            with bishops and popes but I am AT PEACE.
            Please LETS CONTUNIE TO LISTEN TO EACHOTHER AND PRAY! Mary sit of wisdom pray for us!

          • Well, I certainly give praise to God that your faith is so strong to remain with the Church. Unfortunately, so many LGBT who were raised Catholic have left the Church because they understandably felt unwelcomed and condemned to Hell for their sexual orientation. Thankfully, the Church has made it clear in the Catechism that homosexuality in itself is not a sin (only the sexual acts are) and that the door is open for LGBT people to be apart of the Church. But, of course, there’s so much more that has to be done before many would ever even consider returning. Declaring homosexual sex acts would be completely out of the question, of course… but the Church CAN begin with making same-sex attraction a much less of a taboo subject within the Church. It’s a reality, and many parishioners experience it. Heck, many priests experience it also. It doesn’t have to be looked at as a negative thing. Unmarried parishioners (gay and straight) have an advantage in that they can be given roles within the Church that people who are committed to married life would not be able to commit to. And I’m sure you are aware of the Catholic group, Courage. This doesn’t need to be an underground & secretive group. Why can’t it be as well known as RCIA or any other Catholic group that promotes the faith and teachings? These are just a couple of things that the Church can (and hopefully is moving towards doing) in bringing people to Christ’s church and making them feel accepted, loved, and counted as children of God. I think with Pope Francis, its certainly quite possible that it will happen. 🙂

          • lucho gatica

            I live in New York an
            here we have many catholic churches with openly gay parishioners and openly gay
            groups. Much of the taboo is gone. As per “courage” in
            all honesty I have nothing positive to say about them.

          • Sorry, “germ” should say “when”… autocorrect error

      • M B

        Finally, the truth comes out!— you too, believe yourselves “holy than thou. Ha,ha, ha!

      • I’m using sarcasm, btw

    • Marc

      Another un-Christ-like example. How are attitudes like yours (and goral’s) supposed to make these unfortunate people “see the Light” and Truth of God’s Word? You repel them further and further from any hope (or desire) of finding the proper relationship with God with these kinds of labels. Proverbs 15:1 says “A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.” Titus 3:12 says “To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.” “No one” and “all people” means even those you find repulsive. That is how you show you are a true Christian and make others want to be one too.

  • Danielck

    Homosexuality is defined by sex. It cannot be defined by love. It cannot be defined by marriage. And it cannot be defined by children. It is defined at the moment of perverted sexual activity between two folks of the same sex. Were sex not involved in the relationship it could not be homo-sexual. Homosexuality is defined by sex. Heterosexuality is defined by God.

    • I’m pretty sure feelings and physical attraction for another person play a part in a homosexual’s life. It’s not just sex. They aren’t wild animals that act out of instinct. They experience the same human emotions as heterosexuals.

      • cestusdei

        Love wills the good for the other. Sin is not a good. Therefore homosexual acts are not love.

        • Yes, I know homosexual acts are sinful. The church declares that. But what many of you are conveniently ignoring is the church’s call to treat these people with dignity and compassion. They are PEOPLE, not animals. They need to see the Light, but that will never happen when those who are called to bring Christ to the world wage war against them and speak ill about them. That pride doesn’t please God any more than the sin of lust coming from active homosexuals.

          • Danielck

            Nobody is disrespecting them and not treating them with compassion. All that has been stated is a fact about homosexuality. And just because they are “homosexual” (which arguably does not exist) does not mean that they don’t act like animals. Many pro-athletes act like animals. Many drunks act like animals. They may be acting like animals (by not thinking about what they are doing), but they are being controlled by the devil.

          • “They are being controlled by the devil”? No they are not. God gave them free will, and they are deciding for themselves how they want to live. Nobody is controlling them.

          • Pavel Chichikov

            Some people may not be in control of their actions.

          • Okay, I agree. Some people may not be in control of their actions. However, I think most deliberately are in control and choose not to listen to the Gospel. And God gives them that freedom.

          • Pavel Chichikov

            Yes, God doesn’t want us to be automatons. But only God knows which of us are controlled by overwhelming compulsion and who has had the choice of surrendering to it or not.

          • Mercydivine

            I agree with you that we need to show respect but we must let let the truth be compromised. Why do you think there has been so much advancement with the homosexual agenda? It’s precisely because we don’t confront, of course with love, those pushing this redefinition of marriage and the propagada in our schools and society.

          • I 100% agree with you Mercydivine. I’m all for fighting for preserving marriage and everything else holy. I just don’t like it when people do so with bigotry. There are many, many , MANY homosexuals who are good, decent people. Not all of them are the angry activist kind.

          • D Jay

            The spirit of lust is upon them. The word calls for them to repent or be condemned.

          • True, but it is not OUR job to condemn. They have until the moment of death to repent. Leave the condemning to God.

          • Marc

            The spirit of lust is extremely active upon heterosexuals too who are outside the sacrament of marriage, and yes, the Word calls for EVERYBODY to repent or be condemned, and our task as Christians is to pray and work for their repentance only, and never condemn. Everyone has responsibility in these matters, for we are all brethren created for the same God and are stewards for one another as we fight the good fight to get there.

          • bluesuede

            “…those who are called to bring Christ to the world wage war against them and speak ill about them”.

            In what way do you see this happening?

          • “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.” – Matthew 10:14

          • lucho gatica

            Is heterosexuality a sin
            for a born homosexual? How can I have sex with the opposite sex if I am
            not naturally attracted to it? Are heterosexual acts also sinful everytime
            outside marriage? Is the same therefore a sinful inclination to kill than a
            normal inclination to love and have sex with another adult person with the same
            sexual orientation?

          • Hegesippus

            A sexual act must be open to bearing fruit (children) and within a marriage; any other is a sin.

          • lucho gatica

            I agreed. I believe a
            catholic heterosexual couple let’s say biologically sterile will also agree.

          • Marc

            A biologically sterile couple nevertheless can hope and pray for a miracle; the Bible is full of examples where God granted such couples children, even in extremely old age. St. Anne, Mother of Our Lady, was sterile until she was finally healed of her barren-ness. The Catholic, sacramentally-married sterile couple thus has every right and reason to be sexually active in their marriage as long as they remain open to the possibility that at any given time in their relations God may miraculously bless them in the same way as well. It is not the womb of the woman that must be open to children, it is the unified heart of the couple that must be open. That is why the practice of artificial contraception is sinful, because it is the deliberate closing of the heart against God and His Will in this matter, and the couple imposing their will over His own.

          • lucho gatica

            Yes I believe in miracles! Adoption is one of them.

          • cestusdei

            Nothing I wrote treats them with less compassion. It is not compassionate to tell them that sinful acts are good.

      • Danielck

        Why mix those feelings of attraction with perverted sex? I may be tempted to steal, but that does not make me a thief. I am a homo-sexual only when I engage in a perverted sexual act with someone of the same sex.

        • Okay, then what do you call two people of the same sex who are attracted to each other physically but do not engage in homosexual sex?

          • Agnes

            Good friends.

          • Not a complete accurate description but okay.

          • lucho gatica

            The distinction between gender
            and sexual orientation is modern science. Pure and simple. Gender: male,
            female and intersexual. Sexual orientation: gay, bi or hetero.
            Sexual orientation is innate “you are born that way”. Pope Paul VI indicated that “although
            homosexuality is not a sin” …As per moral regulations on sexual acts please refer
            to the never ending interpretation of scriptures and papal magisterium which is
            evolving. As per the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah
            it was “lack of hospitality” Who are you to judge?

          • I’m not judging anybody. I’m the one advocating for people to stop judging homosexuals (or anybody else).

          • lucho gatica

            Yes you are a great example! “QUi judica dominus est,” “is The Lord the one to judge”. Please pray for me and I will pray for you.

          • Thank you. Will do. God bless.

          • D Jay

            no

          • Hegesippus

            Gender is a modern theory propagated for political reasons.

            There is no evidence to show that homosexual tendencies are innate. They merely show the possibility, while other studies show that it is strongly the case that such tendencies are social constructs and caused by experience.

            There are many Church teachings that are not changeable; homosexual acts have always been, are, and will remain sinful.

            The ‘sin of Sodom and Gomorrah’ has not been regarded as anything other than regarding homosexual acts throughout history and changing this to suit a political agenda is merely false and deceptive.

            As you have asked for prayers, I will pray for you that you seek and find truth, accuracy in teachings and peace.
            God bless.

          • lucho gatica

            As far as science on homosexuality
            I will recommend any text of human and animal biology from the curriculum of
            any university. As per the changes in catholic moral teachings also you
            can find a plethora of examples everywhere. Let’s reserve the “Absolute” to
            The Lord. Finally, yes please pray for me. Thank you!

          • Jmstalk

            Lookup large twin studies show homosexuality is not inborn. Up to 8 countries, different cultures … All results are the same: one twin being homosexual, the other is not.

          • goral

            The expected, twisted interpretation of the Scriptures.
            Well, the Gay Gourmet on the corner of Sodom and Gomorrah is most hospitable.

          • Marc

            And you, Goral, are without a shadow of a doubt, going to Heaven because you personally do not feast at the “Gay Gourmet on the corner of Sodom and Gomorrah”?

          • goral

            My sins are many and my virtues few. Not for a minute will I go public with matters that grieve my soul and ask you to somehow see it my way or at least sympathize, for heaven’s sake.
            It’s not because I’m too proud to ask. It’s because I know in my heart that your “loving” feelings are false and debilitating and endanger my soul more than the sin itself.

            Let me be frank….eh. People who rationalize, explain away, mince, empathize, “compassion-alize” sin are more dangerous than the sin itself. They become the “LSMH people”* who tacitly support the “LGBT people”

            *(“lovingly” sickling and miserably humorless)

          • cal

            people are not born that way a recent study with rats which intended to prove that people are born that way proved the opposite that it was the situation and influences that affected their sexuality…also there are gender bending chemicals in foods and drinks we consume which are now banned in EU but not in USA. These affect sexuality by distorted hormonal levels in body.

          • lucho gatica

            cal you are right is science
            the one that must answer this type of questions. Animal and human biology
            have advanced a great deal. Thanks God
            there is a great interest and research on this topics at mayor universities. Unfortunately, so far the majority of studies
            find that sexual orientation hetero, bi or homo sexuality is an innate characteristic
            of animals and humans and is different than gender. A good number of these studies can be found
            at the websites of parliaments and supreme courts all over the world where gay
            marriage has been discussed.

          • Marc

            I have often wondered about this myself. If two persons of the same gender come together as a couple and live and love emotionally just like any other couple, but, in keeping with Christ’s decrees (which the Church upholds) that gay sex is abominable they remain physically chaste in regard to each other, are they still sinning?

          • The church teaches that only homosexual acts are sinful. So, as long as both partners are chaste, they aren’t sinning. Although they have to be careful about putting themselves into temptations.

          • Marc

            Thank you. St. Cecilia and her husband lived this way, so I would think the same thing should apply here too. But despite the loving relationship, a well-disciplined spiritual life would be necessary to avoid, like you said, the inevitable temptations that would present themselves.

  • John Gallion

    The global descent into absurdity accelerates. Gender is a state of mind? Really??? I would normally say you can’t make this stuff up, but some rather influential people are doing precisely that!…and telling the rest of us that what we know is true, isn’t…and we’d better go along with this ridiculous farce…or else!!! Homo-fascism, indeed!!!

  • samhille

    The objectification of human beings! Chastisement comes.

  • JimmyChonga

    The minions of the evil one – can’t wait for the “divine reboot” when all this non-sense will be dealt with in the manner most suited to the will of the divine. Our Lady of Good Success, come quickly, take up your banner, crush the head of the devil. We’re hoping in you!

  • lucho gatica

    The distinction between gender
    and sexual orientation is modern science. Pure and simple. Gender: male,
    female and intersexual. Sexual orientation: gay, bi or hetero.
    Sexual orientation is innate “you are born that way”. Pope Paul VI indicated that “although
    homosexuality is not a sin” …As per moral regulations on sexual acts please refer
    to the never ending interpretation of scriptures and papal magisterium which is
    evolving. As per the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah
    it was “lack of hospitality” Who are you to judge?

    • Hegesippus

      You have posted this above, so I will paste my reply from above:

      Gender is a modern theory propagated for political reasons.

      There is no evidence to show that homosexual tendencies are innate. They merely show the possibility, while other studies show that it is strongly the case that such tendencies are social constructs and caused by experience.

      There are many Church teachings that are not changeable; homosexual acts have always been, are, and will remain sinful.

      The ‘sin of Sodom and Gomorrah’ has not been regarded as anything other than regarding homosexual acts throughout history and changing this to suit a political agenda is merely false and deceptive.

      As you have asked for prayers, I will pray for you that you seek and find truth, accuracy in teachings and peace.
      God bless.

    • jmstalk

      Please look at the results of this very large study on twins across numerous countries and cultures, the results are the same:

      http://blog.godreports.com/2013/05/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic/#more-3506

      • lucho gatica

        Sorry but genetics is
        only part of the evidence. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are complex
        natural phenomena that only until now are studied. The overwhelming majority
        of studies point to the direction that sexual orientation is natural.
        Yes there are still some that would like to take an intersexual animal or
        a gay penguin to therapy.

        • goral

          How can you tell if a penguin is gay?
          Does it walk straighter then the other penguins?
          I say that gay penguins be called “happy feet”.
          Anything else is just hate speech.,

          • lucho gatica

            You right we should
            called them “intrinsically evil penguins”, Unnatural penguins”
            “penguins abomination” etc and their acts because they reject female penguins
            should “never be condoned”. The scriptures are clear regarding
            homosexual penguin behavior and lifestyle choice.

          • goral

            Now you sound like me, except, I’m funny and you’re not.

          • Marc

            “Professing themselves to be wise they showeth themselves fools…” Romans 1:22. Replace “wise” with “funny” here, and stop going for each other’s jugular please, this is becoming painful to watch, and is NOT helping the debate.

        • Jmstalk

          No this study is too large and crosses cultures. The fact one twin is gay does not mean the identical twin is gay and most times is not. The attraction develops after birth.

        • Marc

          I have a strong suspicion that for the majority this is going to discovered to be genetic, however, that does not make it okay in the eyes of God because, since He has already made it clear how He feels about the ACTIVITY resulting from this (NOT the orientation, let me be very clear here) it is obviously one of the unfortunate side effects of Original Sin (like pain during childbirth, etc.. for women, starting with Eve)… none of these human imperfections we all have each in our own way would exist if Adam and Eve never sinned.

    • jdumon

      Yes, I am a compulsive murderer, sorry, I am born that way. Who are you to judge?

      • lucho gatica

        Are you a compulsive heterosexual? Ah but you are born with the right sexual instinct.

  • inspokane

    Coming to America. not doom and gloom…its reality. Just wait one year if you think things are bad now. Planned collapse of American economy and if you do not think like them…they know what is best and how you should think. Period. Wake up people. Whats coming is so bad…horrible…we can/t even imagine it. Hitler will be a school boy! Is coming…its here..they are just waiting to pull the plug! Mark my words. Perfect love casts out all fear. Its the only way through it. Get God…No rapture, he always leaves a reminant. Noah only 7, Lot and his fam…see what I mean. He will get rid of the others. 119 ministries tells it best. Have a nice day.

  • Jmstalk

    Large twin study is large and crosses cultures. The fact one twin is gay does not mean the identical twin is gay and most times is not. The attraction develops after birth. I’m on iPad or would give you more. Look below for link.

  • jenny

    God, bless and protect us….

  • Some of these discussions are truly vile, and people should be ashamed of themselves.

    People struggling with sin deserve our mercy, not our scorn and derision. They aren’t a joke to laugh at. The point of it all is to help people overcome their sins and deal with their temptations. I don’t see how mocking their sins is going to accomplish that.

    There really is a lobby out there that is incredibly powerful and trying to destroy the Catholic understanding of the human person, marriage and sexuality. Unfortunately for some internet champs, they treat this as a game and a chance to backslap each other in their righteousness and chuckle at the misfortunes and misdeeds of others.

    This isn’t a game. Souls are on the line. Including our own. All sin, not just homosexual sex is self-gratifying. To profane the sexual act in this fashion is a particularly grave evil, but lets not try to act like we aren’t inherently selfish people ourselves, who are glad we aren’t like those base heathens who are always selfish.

    The world will always hate us and do what it can to marginalize us. Why Catholics want to contribute to that marginalization with glee is beyond me.

    • Marc

      Exactly my point too, Kevin, you’ve stated it perfectly. We are using this as a forum to act like schoolyard bullies instead of messengers of Christ’s love and mercy.
      Eternal Father I offer You the Holy Wounds of Our Lord Jesus Christ to heal the wounds of our souls; My Jesus, pardon and mercy through the Merits of Thy Holy Wounds! Grace and mercy, O Jesus, during present dangers; cover us with Thy Precious Blood in the shelter of Thy Holy Wounds! Jesus, by Thy Holy Wounds, heal the wounds of the Church and the world! Amen.

      • lucho gatica

        I said Amen!

  • Cindy

    To not see it as sin is called PRIDE. Doing what you, the creature, THINK is right instead of doing what the all knowing creator says is right or wrong. When you start to think you are smarter than God you drift into very dangerous territory but Satan will welcome you with open arms. He’s the one that whispers to you to play with one of Gods greatest sacraments which is the institution of marriage, he makes you believe that your sodomy deserves to be recognized by all and if the Christians won’t cheer at your “unions” then he prompts you to call them bigots, haters, etc… How firmly in his grip Satan now has your culture.

  • watcherofolde

    1987 Gay Manifesto.

    (First Published in Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987 and also put into the Congressional Record. Author – Michael Swift)

    We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

    Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

    All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

    All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

    If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

    We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

    Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

    We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

    There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

    We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

    The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence–will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

    All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

    The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

    We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

    We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

    Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.

  • Soliloquized

    The lexicon of the American media has been conscripted to serve very narrow purposes. I’ve always been disgusted by the following link due to the homosexuals abusive treatment of religion and Christianity. Viewer discretion is advised. http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/03/chick-fil-a-kiss-in-hollywood-the-pictures/

    I went to the Chik-Fil-A appreciation day, I saw no one lampooning gays, their treatment of Christians at this link is not going to engender mutual respect. But the media largely suppresses any coverage of these issues, lest they negatively stereotype their pet causes.

    Not limiting it to homosexuality, the media also suppresses atrocities committed by chosen minorities. Research the term “Channon Christian” and “Wichita Massacre”, these violent rapes, tortures, and murders were determined not to be Hate Crimes, yet all the victims were white and the all the perpetrators black.

    If the media were objective, this column likely wouldn’t have been penned, but they no longer report stories, they create them. Honestly, the Front Sheet, Editorials, and Comics are, in my estimation, of the same value, and about the same likelihood of being truthful and significant.